11 August 2009

The King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry - 1st & 2nd Battalions


The King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry can trace its history back to 1755. This post however, concerns army service numbers and the dates on which these were issued between 1881 and 1914.

In 1881 The King's Own Light Infantry (South Yorkshire Regiment) was formed out of the old 51st and 105th Regiments of Foot. The 51st Regiment of Foot became the 1st Battalion, King's Own Light Infantry, and the 105th Regiment of Foot became the 2nd Battalion. The newly formed regiment started numbering from 1 in July and continued without pause when the regiment changed its name in 1887 to The King's Own (Yorkshire Light Infantry). The name would be changed for a third time, in 1920, to the King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry.


All of the service numbers listed below come from a larger army service numbers database and are listed her for the purpose of providing a snapshot of army service number patterns in the KOYLI. Service records for all of these numbers survive in the WO 363 (Burnt Documents) and WO 364 (Pensions) series at the National Archives in Kew, London. They can also be viewed on-line via Ancestry.co.uk which is currently offering a FREE 14 day trial.

In fact, there are over 37,000 King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry service and pension records (for this regiment - and its antecedents) in various War Office series held at the National Archives. Clicking on the link will take you to the results on Findmypast but you will need a subscription or Pay-Per-View credits to actually view the records. Some of these records can also be viewed on-line on Ancestry although Findmypast has by far the most comprehensive service record collection.


Use the regimental numbers and dates on which these were issued, below, to determine parameters for when your own King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry ancestor would have joined up. Note though that these numbers are only for regular enlistments. Special Reserve and Territorial Force battalions operated completely separate regimental number sequences.

The King's Own Light Infantry (South Yorkshire Regiment)

45 joined on 24th November 1881
207 joined on 30th May 1882
780 joined on 6th September 1883
1163 joined on 14th June 1884
1591 joined on 13th February 1885
2281 joined on 19th February 1886

The King's Own (Yorkshire Light Infantry)
2781 joined on 2nd July 1887
2828 joined on 31st August 1888
2987 joined on 18th September 1889
3216 joined on 23rd August 1890
3565 joined on 29th October 1891
3882 joined on 15th August 1892
4113 joined on 7th January 1893
4504 joined on 4th January 1894
5112 joined on 24th October 1895
5215 joined on 18th March 1896
5462 joined on 5th April 1897
5694 joined on 10th February 1898
6222 joined on 29th September 1899
6606 joined on 14th May 1900
6755 joined on 19th February 1901
7011 joined on 1st February 1902
7436 joined on 23rd June 1903
8107 joined on 25th January 1904
8661 joined on 15th February 1905
8843 joined on the 14th April 1906
9207 joined on 10th May 1907
9842 joined on 17th September 1908
10049 joined on 15th April 1909
10181 joined on 5th January 1910
10538 joined on 8th December 1911
10584 joined on 10th January 1912
10894 joined on 17th June 1913
11008 joined on 7th January 1914

When Britain went to war with Germany in August 1914, the newly forming service battalions drew their numbers from the same series above.

The image on this post is that of Major Charles Allix Lavington Yate VC. Charles Yate joined the 2nd KOYLI in Bombay on 13th August 1892 and later took part in the Tirah Campaign of 1897-98. He was seriously wounded during the Boer War and won his VC at Le Cateau on 26th August 1914. Having led a charge against German positions there, he was again severely wounded, taken prisoner, and died a month later in a German prisoner of war camp.

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From The Naval & Military Press:



King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry in the Great War

This from the N&M Press:

The KOYLI began the war with five battalions: the 1st and 2nd (in Singapore and Dublin respectively); the 3rd Special Reserve at the Depot in Pontefract, and two Territorial battalions, the 4th in Wakefield and the 5th in Doncaster. Subsequently the two TF battalions each raised second and third line battalions, both the former (2/4th and 2/5th) went to France, and ten Service or Reserve battalions were also raised, numbered 6th to 15th. Of these, the 6th to 10th and the 12th were formed in August/September 1914 and went on active service, while the 15th was formed in France in June 1918. All these battalions served on the Western Front, two of them also served on other fronts - the 1st in Salonika and the 8th in Italy. Fifty-nine battle honours were awarded, 9447 all ranks died and eight VCs were won.

The first chapter is concerned with the 2nd Battalion (13th Brigade, 5th Division) and takes the story from Mons to January 1915 when the 1st Battalion arrived with the newly formed 28th Division. The next chapter is their story from the move from Singapore to their first couple of months in the trenches, to early April 1915. There is a chapter describing the raising of the wartime battalions and with all those that went overseas there is the nominal roll of officers who embarked with them.

There is an index but no roll of honour nor list of awards. These are noted in the text as are officer casualties by name and other ranks by totals. Maps and illustrations are very good. CLICK HERE TO ORDER.

75 comments:

Andrew Richmond said...

I was very interested to find your blog. I am currently researching my family tree and I have an old army spoon stamped "5160 4YLI". I see from your blog that the individual must have joined The King's Own (Yorkshire Light Infantry) between October 1895 and March 1896. Is it possible to obtain an exact date for this number and/or the individuals name or is this information just not available? I would appreciate any help you could provide.
Andrew

Paul Nixon said...

Andrew

5160 for the 1st and 2nd Bns dates to the second half of December 1895 but your spoon suggests the 4th Battalion which was a Territorial Force battalion formed in 1908. Prior to the TF there was the Volunteer Force, but the KOYLI only had two Volunteer battalions (the 1st and 2nd) and so it really is from 1908 that the 4th Bn first appears.

If your spoon is silver, it would be worth checking the date mark but as far as my information is concerned, 5160 for the 4th (TF) Bn, KOYLI dates to September 1915 or later. This particular number was issued to Pte Joseph A Crowther who was later re-numbered to 202273 and who was entitled to the British War and Victory medals. No service record appears to survive for this man.

I hope this helps.

Paul

Dianne Brannan said...

I have an ancestor Henry White who served with the 105th in 1851 in Secunderabed. He had a child Harry White in 1851 born Burma, India. Is there any way I can find Henry's Army No.? Many thanks

Paul Nixon said...

Hello Dianne. You should be able to, but probably not on line. You need to consult the muster rolls and pay books in WO 12 at The National Archives, and also the description books in WO 25. The good thing is that you know his regiment and have a date - 1851. Finding him shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Sherman said...

A very interesting forum, which appears to have answered a fraught question in my family history. My great-grandfather served in the KOYLI, his number was 7069, which by your listing should mean he originally enlisted with the KOYLI some time in 1902. This in turn would explain why he trooped north from Guildford (where he was living with his wife and children)to sign up for the KOYLI at Rotherham after hostilities started in 1914.

Paul Nixon said...

Sherman

7069 for the KOYLI dates to the middle of May 1902. Assuming he originally signed up for seven years with the colours and five on the reserve, he'd have been discharged from the army in May 1914. That he served during WW1 under 7069 suggests either that he extended his service at some point during those first seven years of service or (more likely) that at the end of his reserve service he extended this service for a further four years by joining the Class D Reserve. This would have given him a regular weekly income in return for the commitment to attend annual training. It's quite feasible though that when he rejoined the colours in 1914, he hadn't done any active soldiering since 1909. Locating him on the 1911 census should tell you whether he was a soldier in 1911 or a civilian.

Anonymous said...

My grandfather fought in ww1 in the 9th battalion of the kings own Yorkshire light infantry. I am trying to research the date of his enlistment from his service number which was 39821. Finding this blog seems a godsend.

Paul Nixon said...

Hello

39821 is possibly around Oct 1916, although I have gaps in my database for numbers in this range.

Paul

craigs said...

Hi Paul, my great grandfather Cpl Walter Stangroom 9307 KOYLI joined in 1907 the 1st Battalion and served with them until at least their return from Singapore in 1914, but subsequently KIA at Ypres 3.10.17 serving with the 9th Battalion KOYLI. Wonder why and when the transfer is likely to have occurred ?

Regards

Craig

Paul Nixon said...

craigs

In all probability he was nearing the end of his Colour service by the time war was declared and may have been retained at the regimental depot for reasons unknown. He certainly didn't go overseas until after 31st Dec 1915 and may have gone as part of a draft to the 9th Battalion. Without a service record or some other evidence in newspapers or the like, it's going to be conjecture I'm afraid.

Alan Grint said...

Good morning Paul

Here is a bit of a puzzle

Soldier 38703 Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry 9th Battalion. Died aged 19

Can you tell me a date for enlistment.

Think he was born in 1899 Before KOYLI he was 80242 Training Battalion

Hope you can help

Draperju

Paul Nixon said...

I can't help on his one, Draperju. I have no credible data to go on I'm afraid.

Paul

Paul Schoon said...

Paul
Unfortunately my great grandfather's service records were destroyed so I am trying to piece his war together. His service number was 24721 [1st Battalion KOYLI] - is there a way of working out his enlistment date from the number?
Thanks
Paul

Paul Nixon said...

Paul

My database suggests the number dates to around July 1915.

Paul

Anonymous said...

Hi Paul,
My uncle Harold Herbert Hall enlisted in the Koylis in Derby on (date please). His soldier number is 203906 and he joined the 1st Bat., when?
He died of Pneumonia on 9th Sept 1918 in Salonika and is buried there in the Mikra British Cemetary. Although the 1st Bat left Greece on 20th June 1918. So would he have died in Field Hospital, a Gen. Forces Hospital or a local Greek Hospital?
Also Harold Herbert is not featured on the Koylis Museum Medal List why?
Best Regards

Mike Hall
Derby

Paul Nixon said...

Hello Mike

203906 = 4th Battalion between July and October 1916. Probably died in a British hospital of some description but not sure why he doesn't appear on the museum medal list as he certainly was entitled to the British War and Victory Medals.

Paul

Anonymous said...

Hi Paul,I am piecing together information about an ancestor, Private William Austin, born 1893 in Holbeck, Leeds. He served with the KOYLI in 1914-1918, and died whilst a POW at Dielingen work camp in Germany on 17th October 1918. His service number was 10756 and this brilliant website suggests that he would have enlisted sometime between 1912/13.
His medal card dates his arrival in France as 11/09/1914. Would that mean he was some sort of reserve, sent to reinforce the battalion after the losses at Le Cateau?
If so, do you have any information as to his role up till then? His service record didn't survive, but he was awarded the 1914 Star. There is also a note on the medal card to say it was 'de-clasped'. Do you know what that means?
I would be fascinated to learn more, especially if anyone has information about Dielingen and how long he may have been a POW.
Any help or advice will be gratefully received.
Kind regards
Judith

Paul Nixon said...

Hello Judith

The number dates to September 1912and I would guess that he was with the 2nd Battalion when war was declared. Not sure why he didn't go out with the battalion when it arrived in France in August 1914 but he wasn't far behind.

He was captured in 1914, some time between 11th Sept 1914 and 25th December 1914 as his name appears on a list of men supplied after the war who were entitled to receive Princess Mary's gift tin. This list (which I have transcribed in its entirety) is held at the Imperial War Museum and notes that William died on 17th October 1918 and that his next of kin address was 11 Colville Terrace, Beeston Hill, Leeds. No next of kin name is given. The word on his medal index card is "deceased" rather than "de-clasped". Hope this helps.

Paul

Gill said...

Hi Paul
I have only just started researching my grandfather's military history so very pleased to find your site. My mum tells me his service number was 405176 and I believe he went to France in April 1915. I believe he joined the Territorials in 1913. He was wounded twice in France but we don't know any details. Any leads would be really appreciated. I wish I had paid more attention when he was telling me about his war!
Gill

Anonymous said...

Please can you help. I'm trying to find out which regiment of the KOYLI's my grandfather served in during WW1. He enlisted in 1914 and I thnik I have his medal card which gives his regiment number as 35241.

Thank you

Paul Nixon said...

Re 35241 KOYLI

Your grandfather may well have enlisted in 1914 but the number for the KOYLI is a good deal later than this. I can't be sure because my data doesn't cover this particular block but it looks as though it dates more to August 1916.

Paul

Paul Nixon said...

Gill

I found two medal cards for this number but I presume your grandfather was W Atkinson? He had two numbers: 1867 (KOYLI) and 405176 which is for the Royal Flying Corps. 1867 fits with pre war KOYLI TF and would date to around April 1913 for the 4th Battalion (headquartered at Wakefield) and February 1913 for the 5th Battalion (headquartered at Doncaster). Findmypast will be releasing service records for other ranks RFC and RAF later this year and so you should be able to find out more about him then.

Paul

Anonymous said...

hi Paul I am hoping you can locate my partners grandad record, William H Lappin he served in 1/5th battalion and was awarded the DCM in 1914 reg no 52920
Thanks

Paul Nixon said...

Re William H Lappin

The DCM Roll gives his number as 4045 and the award, "for conspicuous gallantry on the 27th October 1915 on the Yser Canal..." He served with the 5th Battalion KOYLI (arriving in France on 19th August 1915) and his number indicates that he joined the battalion around Feb 1915. The DCM award appeared in the London Gazette dated 29th November1915. William was later re-numbered 241405. He was discharged on 22nd January 1918.

Anonymous said...

Re: George Armstrong

I'm tracing my family tree and my great grandad George Armstrong served with the KOYLI during WW1 in the 2nd Battalion. He number was either 22690 or 22699. Born in 1870 in South Shields. Died in France/Flanders 1/7/1916. I cannot be 100% sure this is my G.grandad all I know is that he married Martha Johnson in the 2nd quarter 1912. I would welcome any help in trying to confirm if this is my G.grandad. Thank you Wendy

Paul Nixon said...

Re George Armstrong

CWGC gives 22699, as does the medal index card. Soldiers Died in the Great War also gives this number and additionally notes that he was born in South Shields and previously served with the DLI (number 10215, which is a pre-war number dating to about October 1907).

Anonymous said...

To Anon, re: William H Lappin
William was my grandad too. I could give you more information. Are you in Sheffield?
More can be found about his battalion in the book 'Saturdays Soldiers' which you can pick up in the KOYLI museum shop in Doncaster.

Angela Davison said...

William Stanley Deakin
I am trying to find information on my grandfather William Stanley Deakin (he went by Stanley) DOB 16 Sep 1897 in Sheffield. All my mum knows is that he was in the KOYLIs, was injured (eye sight), was a POW and went to India? after the war. I have found a medal card with the following numbers, 5051 & 241973. I would appreciate any help you can give.

Thanks

Paul Nixon said...

Hello Angela. The number belongs to the series used by the 5th Battalion KOYLI and it dates to March 1916, probably between the 8th and the 23rd of that month. He may have originally been 2/5th Battalion as a number of the men that I have for this series, at around this time, originally joined the 2/5th. Hope this helps.

Paul

Alan White said...

Re: Hebert H Simmonite 21527
Hi Paul
I am trying to gather some information on my grandfather Herbert Henry. I believe he enlisted (under age) in 1914 and first served in France. There is a family story of him being missing in Mesopotamia but I believe KOYLI only went after the war. There were some supporting documents or letters from his co but these were given, along with two of the campaign medals, to the KOYLI museum in Doncaster, but I believe these are no longer kept there.
There is also another regimental number on medal card of 677063. Any help would be appreciated
Regards
Alan

Paul Nixon said...

I couldn't find anything on Herbert Henry, Alan. You mention a medal card. Were there any other numbers on it?

Paul

Alan White said...

Hi Paul
The Medal card gives Herbert H Simmonite KOYLI Reg No as 21527 the other number is 677063 but the Corps could be Lau or Lav or Lab C the theatre of war first served in is 1 (France I believe) and date of entry therein 26.5.15 the roll number for his 1915 Star is LC/51C3 page 86/13

Regards
Alan

Paul Nixon said...

Sorry Alan, I was having a senior moment. You clearly mentioned his first name and number in your original post.

The number dates to Feb 1915 and the second number is for the Labour Corps. I can't tell you when this was issued but a lot of men who were unfit to fight in the infantry due, often, to having been wounded, were still deemed to be fit enough to serve with the Labour Corps. This may have been the path that your grandfather trod.

Paul

ruth said...

Trying to solve a mystery or John Deverell listed by CWGC as service no 6200 in KOYLI but served as John Oldfield for which I can find some other information, his medal card seems to be under oldfield... can anyone offer any further information in this mystery?

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/858519/DEVERELL,%20JOHN says (Served as OLDFIELD). Son of Charles and Sarah Deverell, of 15, Oriel Rd., Homerton; husband of Harriet Florence Horsup (formerly Deverell), of 3, William St., Stratford, London.

Paul Nixon said...

Ruth

Soldiers enlisted under assumed for a variety of reasons but if his medal card is under the name of Oldfield, this is the name he gave at the time of his original attestation.

Paul

Lynne said...

Hi Paul

I am trying to find out when Lance Serjeant Joe Metcalfe of the KOYLI enlisted and/or went overseas. His number is 38956 and he was in the 2nd battalion when he died in 1918.No relation but I have a wonderful picture of him and did some research.

Thanks
Lynne

Paul Nixon said...

I can't be sure, Lynne, but it's possible that this number was part of a block of numbers which were issued to men transferring into the regiment from other regiments in December 1917. You'd need to do some more searching on numbers in this range to prove the point but late 1917 or early 1918 looks like a good bet form the limited work I have done on this particular series.

Allyson Rendle said...

Hi there. I have been researching my Grandfather's line in our family tree and have only just found out that he did serve in WW1 with 1st Battalion Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry. His name is Arthur Woods and service numbers are 1401669 (16631). I also know that he was in the Royal Garrison Artillery but have no idea how he move from one to the other. He survived the War and left the Army in 1926. Sadly died in 1932 at the age of 42. I really would like to find out more of his service movements. Thanks in advance.
Allyson Rendle

Paul Nixon said...

Hello Allyson

He obviously went on to serve with the RGA after the war and received the Long Service and Good medal in 1926. His records will still be with the MoD so you should make enquiries there, although you'll probably need to pay for the papers.

I could undertake research for you (see the research tab on this blog) but that would not include the service records as these will be restricted to family members.

Paul

Paul

Anonymous said...

Hi Paul
I am trying to reasearch my Grandfathers service record but I keep hitting a brick wall. I would appreciate any help you can give. His name is Charles Edwin Henry Sheperd and he was a private in 1916 in Kings Own Yorksire Light Infantry service number was 25059 and thats all i know of him. Carole

Paul Nixon said...

Carole, I've drawn a complete blank as well. I have tried several searches using different name/number combinations and hit the same brick walls.

Can I ask how you know that the number is 25059?

Paul

Angie Hibbitt said...

Hi, my grandad was Charles Edward Cannon. We have his medals and a certificate showing he was with the KOYLIs. his number was 66153. Are you able to give any sort of date of when or where he joined up from this number please? Many thanks

Anonymous said...

Hello, searching for info on my great uncle, who was in Hong Kong, China in 1911 with the military 1st KOYLI.
Arthur french dob1889 b.Bulwell, Nottingham. He was a private aged 22 in 1911
His no . maybe 9261.(he joined London Artists for ww1)
He may have married whilst in h k-- family info sketchy -he may have had a son.Rumours of wife& son killed in afire in H K.
Any info most gratefully received .diana

Paul Nixon said...

Diana, thanks for commenting but regret that since August I have no longer been undertaking unpaid research projects. Please see the research tab at the top of this page.

Paul Nixon said...

Angie, thanks for commenting but regret that since August I have no longer been undertaking unpaid research projects. Please see the research tab at the top of this page. The number is a late one but would need to research it to give a more considered response.

Richard Williams said...

my great great uncle was Private 14841 David Erasmus, A Coy, 2nd/4th Bn KOYLI, KIA November 20th 1917 on the first day of the battle of Cambrai, I have a postcard written by 2nd Lt Frank Cocker to Davids mother asking after him, in the postcard he states the last time he saw my uncle he was "doing some fine work rescuing men under very trying conditions"
Is there any way of finding out about any medal records, war records any further information at all about David Erasmus?

Many thanks

Richard

Paul Nixon said...

Hello Richard

There does not appear to be a surviving service record for this man but medal rolls indicate he served with the 8th, 9th and finally, 2/4th Battalions. Research would uncover when he joined up and possibly when he transferred. This in turn would you enable to consult the relevant war diaries.

best wishes

Paul

Anonymous said...

Hello Paul

An elderly friend of mine is trying to find info a relative Alfred Willis (Private or Corporal 4682964). I'm looking at various sites and I think he was in the 1st Battalion. He has his medal card which shows he enlisted on 15.4.08 but was only in France from 15.1.15.Ive found where he fought on the web but the battalion went to Greece but this isn't on his card
Can you help thanks

Martin E, Middlesbrough

Paul Nixon said...

Martin, can you drop me a line to paulcanixon@yahoo.co.uk please, and attach the medal card when you do so. I'm struggling to find this man.

Thanks

Paul

Anonymous said...

Hi Paul
Wondered if you could make sense of something. My great uncle, Private Jonathan Pearson (7093) served with 1/4th KOYL. He is listed as "dying in service" at 13th General Hospital Boulogne and is buried in Boulogne Eastern Cemetery. He obviously didn't die of wounds so is there any way I can find out what happened to him?
Many thanks
Karen

Paul Nixon said...

Karen, Soldiers Died in The Great War records that he died of wounds. Paul

Anonymous said...

Hi Paul

You have helped so many people and I wondered if you could do the same for me?

I have found my Great Great Grandfather's Marriage certificate (01 Jan 1916) and it says he was Private Earnest Williamson of KOYLI (is this normal as he was from Derby and all his brothers joined The Worcestershire and Sherwood Foresters Regiment?). On the certificate he is listed as KOYLI 230 and it is stamped by the regiment as KOYLI 10230/51. Can you tell me what these numbers mean so I can hopefully work out his battalion please? I have also been told he was injured and I wondered if you had any information on that?

Many thanks

Tony

Paul Nixon said...

Tony, 10230 was his regimental number and he served with the 1st and 2nd Battalions of the KOYLI.

dday said...

Hi Paul
I recently acquired a military medal to Sergeant F.S Bloor 3/1077 K.O.York.L.I ....his medal card says 1st Battalion 21.4.15 to 14.2.19 by his service number when did he join up and also there is no mention of him in the Gazette?
thanks for any info
david

Paul Nixon said...

David, I am sorry but I do not have that information to hand and would need to research it.

Dianna Whyte said...

Hi. I am researching my grandfather robert joseph whyte who was a private in the koyli sweetheart and fought at arris where he was captured as a power. Any help would be appreciated

Paul Nixon said...

Do you know when he was born, Dianna?

Rty said...

Hi

i have found a postcard saying my great grandfather. On the back is this information...


Pte H Johnson (H being for Harry)
No 4683897
KOYLI
Detachment
P Hut (I think it says this)
Strensall Camp

It also says Sept: 18/22
51 Broughton Road
Park Estate
Leicestershire

Can you find any information at all about this man? Date of birth, service records, anything.

Thanks

Paul Nixon said...

His record may still be with the MoD as he was serving in 1922. The number dates to 1920 onwards.

chris ferguson said...

Hi Paul,

This is a very interesting blog that I have come across researching my Gt Granddad. I have his service number 3/9785 and he served with the 2nd Bn KOYLI and was KIA in 1916. Using 9785, is his enlistment about 1907? I'm curious, because in the census of 1911 his occupation is not listed as a soldier. I just wondered if I'm reading the information you have correctly.

Thank you.

Paul Nixon said...

Hello Chris, don't confuse the regimental numbers issued to the regular battalions, with those issued from another series to the 3rd (Special Reserve) Battalion. If you would like more detail on this man and his service, please drop me a line via the RESEARCH tab.

Paul

mike gibbs said...

Hi Paul , would you know when my grandfather samuel gibbs joined up in the koyli , his service number was 8032. he was he was born in 1889 and was young when he joined .they put him in the band..
regards mike gibbs

charles chanter said...

Hi, I am trying to find enlistment details for my great uncle Pte.Fred Looking 2410 KOYLI, died 28/07/1915, buried Talana Farm Cemetery, Ypres. Any help would be greatly appreciated. His head stone reads " believed to be buried in this Cemetery". Thanks Charles

Paul Nixon said...

Mike

Re 8032, from the information on this post, 1903 if he joined the regular battalions. He would have joined up as a boy and so joining the band makes sense.

Paul

Paul Nixon said...

Charles

As a deceased soldier there will be various resources to check: Soldiers Died in The Great War, Commonwealth War Graves Commission, Soldiers' Effects Register, medal card, medal rolls, possibly a service record, possibly other rolls, newspapers... If a service record does not survive it would still be possible to work out when he enlisted. Contact me through the research tab if you want more help.

Paul

John Millard said...

Hi Paul,

I am trying to find a date of enlistment for my great grandfather, Edgar Hoult. He was in B Company, 1st Battalion, Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry. His regimental number was 30271. I have his record of being killed in action, and his final (posthumous) pay (£8, 3s, 4d) - but am unsure of when he joined the regiment. Can you shed any light?

Paul Nixon said...

I would need to research that, John. Please see the research tab on this blog.

Paul

Corniche Blog said...

Dear Paul,
I'm trying to find out more information on my g/grandfather Private Frank Chamberlain who was in the 9th battalion K.O.Y.L.I, i have his army number as 43587 and the date he was KIA 8th June 1917, is there a way i could find out more about him?
Rgds
Marc Smith

Paul Nixon said...

You'll need access to Ancestry or Findmypast in order to run searches across the various military collections. Alternatively, please follow the instructions on the Research tab if you would like me to assist.

Penny Whitney said...

My great-grandfather Colour Sergeant William Augustus Page 1783 evidently enlisted 1884/5. He married in Malta in November 1885. His wife was Mary Ann Briggs, daughter of Robert Denny Briggs, who I think was also in the British Army. They had a daughter born in Malta in August 1886. The KOYLI then sailed to Karachi and were then garrisoned in Quetta. W A Page died 18 April 1888, the day after his son was born. On 8th May their daughter died. And in October Mary Ann died. Their son, also William Augustus, came back to the UK with his grandparents and was living in Bradford barracks in 1891. I cannot find service records for WA Page. I understand that they don't exist if a soldier died, rather than being discharged. Is this correct? Also, I cannot find any record of whether there are gravestones for these three family members. Would the army erect these, or would it be dependent on relatives? Hoping that you can give me some answers. Thanks, Penny Whitney (nee Page)

Paul Nixon said...

Hello Penny

That's a sad story. You're correct. If a soldier died his file would subsequenrly have been destroyed, the Ministry of Pensions, (without due regard for future generations of family historians), reasoning that as these men would never be claiming pensions, there was no need to retian their files.

Burial registers for the deaths may survive in the India Office collection which has been digitised by Finfmypast. The headstones would, I think, have been paid for by the army. I have seen plenty of headstones in India which were provided by regiments but I have no documentary evidence or reference on this. Also Google FIBIS and make some enquiries there.

Paul

Anonymous said...

Hi paul,
I have a silk postcard from one of my ancestors and I cant trace him in any census. His address is shown as 4 lines 53 ys K O Y L I Clipstone Camp. his Service no is hard to read but it looks like 5/29249? His surname is Austin and the forename looks to begin with j could be Jim? Any help with the date of his posting to Clipstone, his age, when he served or ,well, just anything really would be very much appreciated. He would have come from Coseley or Bilston Wolverhampton staffs.
many thanks
Sue

Paul Nixon said...

Hello Sue. 53 YS will be s reference to the 53rd (Young Soldiers) Battalion and the regimental number may be the Training Reserve. If he did serve overseas it would not have been with this unit but possibly with another KOYLI battalion. The card probably dates to no earlier than September 1917 and your man was probably therefore born in 1898 or 1899.

john Steele said...

Hi paul

I am looking for any information on my great grandfather sgt William Philip Jones. I have seen 2numbers 240895 and 1204 on a 1921 medal list. He died of his wounds back at home in 1917. I wonder if you have anything you can tell me about where he might have served or received his wounds.

Many thanks

John steele

Paul Nixon said...

Re Sgt William Philip Jones.
I could give you a full report on this man, John, but it would be a research project for me. Please see the RESEARCH tab on this blog.